Johan Larson ([info]j_larson) wrote,
@ 2008-08-18 20:44:00
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Was Ripley right to rescue Newt?
I was watching Aliens last night, and I've been thinking about the sequence near the end of the movie where Ripley, Bishop, and Hicks were aboard the second drop ship on their way to the Sulaco, but Ripley insisted on heading over to the fusion plant to rescue Newt. Was that the right thing for her to do?

As I see it, Ripley's primary goal at the time should have been getting a report back to Earth about this new and terribly dangerous species. Her secondary goal should have been saving as many people as possible.

Under this formulation, by trying to rescue Newt, she was trying to serve her secondary goal. But by doing so she put herself and the others in real danger, to the detriment of her primary goal. This would surely have been justified if the potential benefit had been great and the risk modest. But lingering in the proximity of a pyrotechnically malfunctioning fusion reactor could hardly the called taking a modest risk. And as for the benefit, Ripley was trying to save one life, not dozens.

Based on this, I believe Ripley's correct cause of action would have been to continue to the Sulaco, leaving Newt behind.

Interestingly, there was another scene earlier in the movie, where Ripley did just that. After the marines' incursion into the reactor complex, Hudson observed that the remote monitors worn by the sergeant and Dietrich still showed them to be alive, though they hadn't made it out of the complex. Vasquez was in favor of going back to get them, but Ripley argued successfully that doing so would have been futile. But then, neither soldier was a little blond girl.



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[info]sistercoyote
2008-08-21 02:37 pm UTC (link)
As I see it, Ripley's primary goal at the time should have been getting a report back to Earth about this new and terribly dangerous species. Her secondary goal should have been saving as many people as possible.

Although I'm in general agreement that she should not have gone back for Newt (although that would present problems with the storyline and the family dynamic between Hicks, Ripley, and Newt), I disagree about her primary goal. She had already been through this with the PTB on Earth, and had no reason to believe they would listen to her any better than they had the first time.

Ripley also knew there was a delay between being captured and being impregnated and may have calculated (based on experience) that Newt was likely safe while the soldiers would already have been turned into incubators by the time their life signs were noticed.

Otherwise, I agree with your general point, and I can't believe I'm arguing the converse because, frankly, Newt annoys me. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few," after all. But I don't think it's fair to argue that Ripley was thinking logically by that point, either. She was running on instinct, and as the ending of the film was meant to prove: maternal instinct to protect one's children trumps just about everything.

(Here, in a roundabout way, from Whatever.)

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(Anonymous)
2008-08-22 12:20 pm UTC (link)
...that would present problems with the storyline and the family dynamic between Hicks, Ripley, and Newt...

As it stands, Aliens is an action movie about a failed mission that ends with a little victory: Ripley's defeat of the queen. Without the rescue, it would have ended with a final personal defeat for Ripley: the loss of her surrogate daughter. That would have been the film's most cathartic moment, its deepest trough of despair.

Dramatically speaking, I think this darker version could have been made to work. I see a scene where Ripley is determined to go back, but Hicks and Bishop dissuade her, echoing back to her exactly the same words she used to argue aginst rescuing the soldiers: "Forget it, she's gone. You can't help her."

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[info]j_larson
2008-08-22 12:23 pm UTC (link)
Oh, heck, I forgot the attribution.

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[info]princekermit
2008-08-21 09:13 pm UTC (link)
But then, neither soldier was a little blond girl.

And that, IMNSHO, is the crux of it. If I remember correctly, there was a deleted scene in Aliens showing that Ripley had lost a family (specifically a daughter) during her long dark sleep in stasis. So in the opening, she found out she was older than dirt with the nightmares of what happened and no blood family for support.

So, in saving Newt, Ripley was saving her daughter and, by extension, her humanity. Individual marines (male and female) may come and go, but in saving Newt, she saved the possibility of reproduction (in other words "hope.")

Of course, those hopes were trashed in the opening few minutes of Alien3 and the motherhood aspect were bastardized (pardon the pun) in Resurrection, but she had no crystal ball to know those details of the future.

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(Anonymous)
2008-08-22 12:08 pm UTC (link)
True. I don't want to go too far in condemning Ripley for her actions. It is a noble thing for an adult to be willing to risk himself for a child, and I dare say most would do it at least for their own. We would be a lesser species without this impulse.

But while I am willing to praise the impulse, I still maintain it was the wrong thing to do. And you know, I think it is to the credit of the film that it can raise an issue like this, requiring a complex nuanced answer. It is adult entertainment in the best sense of the term.

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[info]j_larson
2008-08-22 12:24 pm UTC (link)
Oh, heck, I forgot the attribution.

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[info]dlganger
2008-08-24 06:13 am UTC (link)
Couple of key differences between Newt and the soldiers:

1) Newt had already proven herself to be a survivor; she'd lived in the complex with these things running around when it had taken out the adults. Ripley had to destroy an entire ship just to get rid of *one* of the damn things; Newt's feat of survival (which was directly jeopardized by the actions of Ripley's own party) meant that Ripley owed Newt at least the chance to get out alive.

2) Newt, unlike the soldiers, was not a volunteer. She'd had no control over her fate, and was in fact intended by the Company to be a test subject like the rest of the colonists.

And that's also why Ripley's priority to report to Earth is bogus. All her communication channels are controlled by the Company. The Company has already sent a group of colonists to a planet *where they knew this hostile lifeform was present*, and deliberately got them incubated. Ripley, as another victim of the Company, had no duty to them -- but damn well wanted to keep them from victimizing anyone else.

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